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Posted: 2010-06-30, 23:07   The Sarmatian origins

In this topic Maniek says, the Polish people descendant themselves from the Sarmatians. I would like to know more about this. :)

Becouse I think this is the key for the R1a1 genetical kinship.
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Posted: 2010-07-01, 01:19   

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatism

The most important info. It was overthrown in XIX and can be called the fantasy of Polish nobles.
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Posted: 2010-07-09, 22:38   

I found this interesting article in the Polish Embassador of Budapest:
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I would like to believe this. :)
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Posted: 2010-07-10, 00:00   

Very interesting but there are some deniable things. Primo, Bavarian Geographer doesn't say anything about Polanie. Secundo, I can't believe that any Sarmatian word would not survive till our times.
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Posted: 2010-07-11, 12:28   

Excellent article.

Kabza, do not destroy something that is beautiful :-P
 
     
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Posted: 2010-07-11, 13:11   

"Czasy roszad ostatecznie minęły. Natomiast żeby zbudować osiadły tryb życia, potrzebne jest parę dziesi±tek lat pokoju. Zgodnie z odwiecznym zwyczajem pokazuj± swoj± siłę otaczaj±cym ich ludom, zmierzaj± się z nimi, zwyciężaj±, osłabiaj±, wszystko po to, żeby im przez dłuższy czas nie chodziły po głowie pomysły o najazdach. Prewencyjne wojny s± prowadzone za¶ w każdym kierunku, z wyj±tkiem północnego pasa granicznego. Co więcej, osady strażnicze żyj± w największym pokoju z s±siednimi wioskami Wi¶lan czy Lendzian co potwierdzaj± badania archeologiczne na przykład pod Przemy¶lem w pobliżu Przełęczy Dukielskiej."



Yes, It's true. :) We fight everywhere, except the West-Slavs.
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Posted: 2010-07-11, 21:34   

The mountains blocked a bit the prospective attack. What is more, we don't have many sources from those times eg. the first certain info about Poles ruler is fight in 963. Either way, there must be something we don't know.

Czechs are also West-Slavs.

Maniek wrote:
Excellent article.

Kabza, do not destroy something that is beautiful :-P


I want to reach the truth:P. Well, history of our friendship itself is so beautiful. :-)

PS. Feher Horvatok. What does it mean ?
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Posted: 2010-07-11, 21:40   

biali chorwaci ;-)

white croats ;-)
 
     
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Posted: 2010-07-11, 21:45   

Thanks. I didn't associate it. What Croatia did there? :shock:
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Posted: 2010-07-11, 21:52   

Sam się zdziwiłem:

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bia%C5%82a_Chorwacja

I too have suprise:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Croatia
 
     
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Posted: 2010-07-11, 22:13   

Lesser Poland hmm. The history of our lands before 10th century is a real mess. :shock:
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Posted: 2010-07-11, 22:30   

Maniek wrote:
Sam się zdziwiłem:
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bia%C5%82a_Chorwacja
I too have suprise:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Croatia


In the Hungarian historiography originated the Croats from your nation.
Anyway, We (Hungarians), Poland, Ukraine and Croatia have a same genetic markers. That's not could be accident. :)



Kabza wrote:
Czechs are also West-Slavs.


I correct myself:
We fight everywhere, except the Polski land. :)



Kabza wrote:
The mountains blocked a bit the prospective attack.


Believe Me, if we want to attack Polska in the early X. century, these mountians had not been stopped us! As you can see on the map, we visited every place of the old Europe.

There's no rational explanation for that, why don't we saw enemy in the old Polish Kingdom? Why were we attacked White Croats, but Polska not?

Except for one:
We know, and your nation's know: We are really brothers! And that's why we don't attack each other.
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Posted: 2010-07-12, 00:20   

Detail, the country of Poles was created circa 940/950, the certain info as I said is from 963.
Maybe Hungarians signed an alliance with southern tribes. It is only a speculation.
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Posted: 2010-08-03, 21:51   

The Sarmatians is a ethnic + genetical + cultural + language connected groups name (just like the Scythians, or the Slavs) or the Sarmatian name is only used for one nation?

Scythian nation's was the Huns, Magyars, etc.

The Ukrainian nationalist's are originated themselves from the Scythians. We don't know, they just want to looks older, or It's true. But proved, the Magyar - Ukrainian - Polish people is genetically very near each other.
Fact 1, Before when we enter the Kárpát-Basin, we stay in Ukrainian territories.
Fact 2, The Hungarian history writing say a clan, which is the "most martial Magyar group all of them". And they stay in Ukraine, when we enter the Kárpát-Basin.

If It's true, and we have the genetical kinship (with Poles, Ukrans and Magyars) not only with "f*ck out of border", this made a new question:
- If our origins started in the Far-East, why don't we looks like a "mongolid" man? Genetic change in the history? I don't believe this. Thousend years old Rovás writings found in Bosnia and Transylvania. The genetic scientists say, according to the research, the Hungarian genetic originated for 4 man, who lived in Europe 30.000-40.000. years ago.

The "Settlement of the Magyars in Hungary" is the take back of the old lands?

Or the genes are totally changing in the history. :)
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Posted: 2010-08-04, 01:09   

Well, it is too early to confirm such radical theory. I have been thinking about not attacking Polish ground. I think the answer is fact that West was richer and had more money. It matches because as we can see on your map later Poland and East wasn't attacked.

PS. I read that only Hungarians use term "White Croatians". Polish historians call them Lędziane.
PS2. We rather don't like the Ukraine. ;-)
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